John. I assumed that the horse was some kind of pet that he took with him on his deliveries. Like a Local: 7 Great Cafes and Restaurants in Palmers Green OK sorry Lorna, but just thought the name being similar and all that. I think your Father was there too. They could be dropped down to serve the goods. Hi Victoria, I remember the milkman well, his horse was called Dobbin and Mum used to get me running out in the road with a bucket and shovel if he dropped his business near us so it would be good for the roses in her garden. As a schoolboy I attended Southgate County Grammar School in Fox Lane from 1948-53, and remember admiring new Jaguar cars in the Saul and Slatter showroom in Aldermans Hill. Happy memories of Greenwood Gate Tennis Club in the Rec too, circa 1959 1963. Just found this: The next occupant of the premises was Jays Furnishing Stores, a hire-purchase furniture store first listed in Wards 1911 directory. Annyway I was bursting with fitness with all this pedalling on the Rudge when my time came to do National Service (Rifle Brigade. Janes and Adams was my first job after leaving school circa 1959. When I was in the juniors my friend and I used to like nothing more than to lay down on the railway bridge near the Church at the top of Hedge Lane and let the smoke of the trains roll over us. We lived in Upsdell Avenue from 1941 to 1957. Visit Palmers Green places using Walkfo for free guided tours of the best Palmers Green places to visit. I lived in Tottenham rd during the war and remember being wrapped in a tartan rug and carried out side by my dad who was an air raid warden to see. I also recall Roberts toy shop on the other side. Remember the Windsor Caf. The chemist at the top of Hazelwood Lane was called Cross & Herbert. Trusted memories of the museum - Palmers Green Jewel in the North I used to go out with a boy who lived along The Larches, (number 92), in the 1960s. The farmhouse was built in 1720 by a Mrs Childs. I bought my first motorised bike from them, a cycle master, which had an engine in the back wheel. I also remember going to the Intimate Theatre with my mother every Tuesday evening. I lived in Pasteur Gardens from 1960 to 1966, and went to Oakthorpe School and the Latymer. Which barbers do you mean? hang across the window pegged on string!!! Remember the bovril machine. Hospital. Dave Todd. Lived in New River Crescent during 60s and 70s. 1st. Any idea of what it was called? He really lowered the tone of Palmers Green. Hallo Raymond, Wondered whether or not your father was Fred Rann who used to go to the Fives Club? Cameracraft now theres a blast from the past too! Went to St Monica School from 1970-71 before we were transferred to the new Our Lady of Lourdes School in Arnos Grove. Possibly during WW2 it was requisitioned for war work. I went to Brownies and Guides at that church too! Singapore 45. Lorna, I now have an ad for Jays Stores Surrey branches, a 1952 invoice from Palmers Green branch and a photo of their location, adjacent to Spencer Avenue, posted on my page. What a great guy he was. Are you skating on thin ice already in the Netherlands? When a change of scenery was called for, it was all off to the Amelia coffee bar in Oakwood. Can you imagine leaving two young children in a caf now, you would probably get a visit from Social Services. Mr. Music Baggarley, S.County did not think much of my voice, a judgement echoed by Regimental Sgt.Major, Rifle Brigade, on the Square, Winchester. National Service. (appy Famiily memories agin, eh? Like me, she does remember the car dealer being there though. I went there with my sister and her friends I think the Small Faces were signing autographs ? Thanks very much Saul & Slatter it was! If my memory is correct that represented .W.W. Miss Bellefontaine was the head teacher at Hazelwood Infants school during the forties, I know as I attended that school. Sylvia , there was a WW2 bombsite at the corner of Sidney Ave/Green Lanes near Bowes Rd it was used in the 50/60/70s as a car yard called Kieth Cars, no longer live in PG so not sure what stands there today. I also bought a BSA Winged Wheel from them and had it fitted to my pushbike on which I commuted from Palmers Green to Tottenham Hale every day for my Apprenticeship at Keith Blackmans Ltd. A female named Jane lived above the J&A shop. I remember once using the underground public toilet at the triangle and sure there was an assistant there in the days before we considered disabled people. I remember being in your house when she visited them. Annyone remember that great Destroyer model opposite the counter in J&As, is it still cutttin the seas in defence of our Realm? Conway park and blagdens lane were my playground when the old rubbish dump was behind the stables a goldmine of wartime and Victorian memorabilia. Remember Dr Meldrums surgery opposite Janes and Adams, and his receptionist? Going back a bit who used to run up Fox Lane, stand on the bridge and wait to be covered in steam from the trains . An MD with a MBA from Palmers Green | DegreeInfo This was back in the early 60s. As she asked for opera top petticoats and long legged knickers the woman behind the counter would operate the very cleaver drawers lining the walls holding the goods. I remember the bloke who served there and was a grumpy old git so I suspect this could be the same place. .Yes I remember the cafe well, 1964, it was on the corner of N.C Rd & Green Lanes. Park, and the slide which we used to grease with candle wax in the fifties so that it was so fast you went flying of the end! And another question on the same side as the H&C but further towards Winchmore Hill opposite a photographers, there was a Jaguar garage. The song's lyrics were written by Lewie's friend Keef Trouble, a fellow member of Brett Marvin and the Thunderbolts. By the way do you have a brother Brian, married to Rosemarie? Hi Mike, yes I remember Bruno walking from the cafe with snooker cue in hand after a days work to the Cock pub to try & win a few bob in the billiard room, he also had the Bezazz Coffee Bar corner of Princes Ave, with juke box & pin ball machines great times all for the price of a coke or coffee with your mates. My father, Bert Hart, worked for Allen & Appleyard making furniture. I had a mini and a few cortinas in the 70s all with big bore exhausts and used to make a deliberate noise going up Green lanes. My memory goes back to 1956, I would have been 8 years old and my Dad used to take myself & my younger brother to Doms most Saturdays during the summer holidays for a midday lunch treat, He would put us on one of the 5 bar stools which were positioned at the rear of the cafe on the right hand side, we would pick up the menu because it looked grown up! I met him later as a tenant in one of his many properties and worked for him for a short while in the 90s. Footnote: Dad an is fellow freelances performed under aliasis to avoid problems with HMCRC.why else am I cultivatin a full Santa Claus beard5 months to go! Thats where I bought my comics tooBeano, Whizzer & Chips and Sparkey. . & knickers etc. Spent a few happy days with him and also his parents at their house up by the new river. At this point it is appropriate to include some of the memories of Cecil Hughes who, with his family, had been resident in the area . Up until the purchase of the motorised bike I used to cycle in every day from Muswell hill. I had some really good teachers and friends I missed a lot when we moved. 1940, I have enjoyed reading all of your comments, because my Mother was so proud to have lived there, and reminisced so often. The corner premises were never re-built on and the empty space was then used as an open car forecourt called Kieths Cars. Glossops was near J&A. Local records mention a Palmers Field in 1204 and a Palmers Grove in 1340. This marked the spot where lorries slowed, changed gear to ascend New River bridge and I would grab a tailboard chain and be towed up and up Bourne Hill by a Foden on my bicycle (not the Rudge yet) to St. Georges Road and peel off easily to Southgate County School in Fox Lane. Lorna, is it possible the furniture store you refer to was Ways? We lived in Sidney Avenue from 1952 until 1961. I lived in New River Crescent. Annyway.back to on the North side an them basketsI remembers a cafe at this location. In the late 60s, early 70s a small ladies shop appeared near Burtons. It was owned later by a mate of mine Bruno. Hello Christine, I do remember the china and glass shop which I went in with my Mother to buy any special gifts for people. Didnt stay for long as my parents moved away but certainly enjoyed it whilst I was there. I lived at no46 Conway road, My mother knew your parents. Memories Of Green (Remastered) - YouTube .and ALWAYS ordered egg, sausage & chips. But I was answering Jenny Hs comment about the site at the top of Hedge Lane which was a car dealership etc & is now a very good Turkish Deli, which she thought had been a bomb site. The Fox emerges after a long hibernation - Palmers Green Community I lived in Tottenhall Road until 1955 when we moved to Winchmore Hill but I remember the home made guys outside the shops on Green Lanes. The other memory was of the caf Doms (Dave Todd 1/7/14) where they sold really delicious ice cream too! They were green wooden gates. A saxophonist my father often booked had the first name of Larry. FUFU - Chinese dining at its best in Palmers Green by Ellie Sales. The garage was called Saul and Slatters. Yes.thats where I learnt to swim. Sue Beard, who runs the Palmers Green Jewel in the North website, has discovered a 15-minute film about Grouts , the former Palmers Green emporium of tea towels, socks, knickers and corsetry that brought a glimpse of pre-WW2 (and even pre-WW1) shopping into the 21st Century. Which one is it?? Wonder what happened to him, I would love to know. The smell really made me sick. Penny for the Guy! Janes & Adams was my favourite shop in Palmers Green. Dad was in the ARP with your uncle, I have been trying to find some photos of the ARP at Palmers Green but as yet not successful. In fact on A10 between Lister Gardens and Ostliffe Rd, there is still a gap in the terrace where 2 houses were hit during the war. Last I heard he was still alive and well in his house in The Meadway, starving comfortably! I worked at burtons at the triangle in the 60s until at closed inthe 70s some very happy memeries of those times. I attended Bowes Road School and Southgate County Grammar School. Founded in 1901 by my grandfather, but was knocked down in the 60s to make way for the widened North Circular? [10] 23 Green Lanes, Palmers Green, London N13 4TN, UK. Hello Dave, I didnt know Victor Madden when he was young as I live in Ely, nr Cambridge, but luckily, I met Victor on a Rock and Roll weekender in 2009 and we spent the next 7 years together. 213 p. 239 halftone & black & white line illustrations. I do remember the restaurant above the sweet shop too. Living in The Larches 1938off to Devon November 1940..back to Palmers Green 1946..11+ and off to Southgate County School. I lived in Palmers Green from 1938 to 1964. Sorry to say my own Weddin Photos (brilliant) from Artricia, Winchmore Hill selected by my father-in-law Edward Cable Later on in Advertisin I helped to promote the 10 fare to Australia for adventurous families but had to stay behind to assist David Bailey, Don McCullin, Billy Apple et al.. No rush now but still on the familly tree search (Sixteen String Jack Rann and Sue) (Sue still rowing back to GB from Botany Bay 1779)ave you eard from yore coastgards annythin? A quaint . Do you John manses I use to buy my records in the 70s and 80s, Lived in Palmers Green from 1966 to 1987. I remember having lunch with you on quite a number of occasions when I came down after moving to Bedfordshire, then Milton Keynes. Hello Raymond, Your memories of Palmers Green are a real Gold Mine. Fortunately my mother never chastised me about it. But you are right about the window where you got served. The shop later became Tesco. Devonshire Road. Hey are you the same Anne Poole from Southgate SC. VangelisVangelis: Delectus 2016 Universal Music International BV / Polydor (UK). however, it did changes hands to a new type of shop a few years later. you could add doms cafe where you had a great breakfast there. watts north Miss? Sit down Raymond! The sound of a siren still turns my stomach over to this day. you may ask) too fashionable and hexpensive now thanks to ebay. When I lived in London and just started my business Aubrey would do most of my black and white printing and I also did a few weddings for him. Responding to the notes on Barrowell Green Swimming pool, I was born in Southgate and lived at 6 Tintern Gardens from 1936 56, and attended Southgate County Grammar School. Was it a post office too? memories those were the best days. At the time Kennings had a garage in Edmonton which I remember was a Jaguar dealer so I imagine our old car hire site was the Jaguar dealer you recall and would most likely have also been a Kennings branch. This was run by a short tubby lady. The only place Ive ever found an equivalent to Doms, is in the home of ice cream, Italy and thats a long way to go for a cornet!!! When he retired (1956 ish), I was 11 and my family were transferred onto Dr Stewarts list. I dont remember it being a bomb site though, Hi Jennie, Daughter of Uncle Sid Rann (Imperial Father of the Chapel. He was very tall, very Scottish and prescribed bottles of Minadex (green and foul tasting) for almost all childhood ailments! We had to make our own fun in those days, there were no iPads, computers,,,,,,,,,,, etc. Koubes here are also a match for Aroma with a slightly deeper, sweeter taste from sticky caramelised onions. The buildings opposite however, which was the bombed out Princes Dance Hall, were rebuilt in a totally different style. Hi Gerry, Im nearly retired and living in Australia, you may remember my father Aubrey Todd who ran Kelvin Photos. Next..The Triangle Cafe shut (ABC an Lyons) also shut at 5.. If so I knew him, he was a great friend of my Father Frank Watling who found the Fives Social Club. They sold lovely solid, classy furniture. She was there when I was there in 1940s. Lefteris Bakery/Instagram. I bet you noticed big changes to the shops in PG when you went to The Fox. But then came THE GIRLS. I was just 15 and left school to become the first employee your father Aubrey gave me my first job and I never looked back and went on to become a photographer in the RAF as national service was compulsory at 18 after I joined a Photo retail shop in Turnpike lane named A M DAVIS after I started my own career in Muswell Hill N10 Then went on to open 7 more shops before starting a Franchise called FOTOVALUE with over 1000 outlets throughout Europe allowing the owners to retain their own name with just banners to say the where part of Fotovalue. I think it was late 50s . There were something over 50 people killed as the dance had just ended and many had left the dance hall to get buses in Green Lanes. She was young and trendyin fact I saw her once in the old HMV shop in Wood Green buying a Yes album ! I dont remember you should I? Residing in Florida but will be returning to the UK some time early next year and looking forward to checking out the old haunts. Wow Thanks Richard awesome now I win the bet with my brothers!! Much later in I guess the 70s? I lived next to the Bird In Hand Pub in the early 79s, but my grandparents used to own a toy and Oran shop on the corner of Tottenham road and wolves lane. He said there was money all over the place and as far as he could see it was all being collected up to be given back, The other corner was also hit and certainly Keith`s cars set up business there and eventually on both sides of Sidney Avenue, becoming a flourishing business. Some of the shops that havent been mentioned from my memory, are; The mens raincoat shop at the top of Windsor Road and the little old man who stood at the door he was creepy!. Sylvia, I. Probably TottenHALL RdSchool Mr bennett was headmaster was St. Michaels School..The fever hospital was Greentrees further up Tottenhall past Bird in Hand Pub and before Norfolk Pk alleyway. Keith Headley, did you live on N.C.R? Ray in Cornywall. Will email direct I manage to find scraped ice cream every now and then but nothing like the taste I remember. I think it was called Harvey Sports (a friend of mine had a Saturday job there) & next door was a fabric shop called Metres which sold everything from net curtains to dress fabrics and upholstery materials, The couple who ran it were very kind & patient working our how much material you needed for your windows etc. For the coronation, we all went to the Ritz not on the day itself to see it on the big screen. To Gerry Hicks- yes I remember you, you had a wife called Rose and a daughter called Carol? Hope this helps. Richard Franklin. Otherwise it was as you describe with the coffee grinding machine in the window and the aroma pervading Green Lanes. Ho for the old days, Mike, (have you still got the Roller!?) Organising A Cremation Funeral In Palmers Green. Hi Sylvia, in the P.Green archives somewhere there is a report that on the night of March 15th 1941 the Princes Dance Hall (corner of Princes Ave) was packed with young couples. Your change would come whizzing back in the rather splendid looking canisters. He pierced my ears in the early 60s very unusual then and done with a big needle! Those were the days. I remember the Ford Zephyr. later..no rushsheep on the boil. After the Quick Service Cafe Bruno in 1967 moved 100mts to the corner of Princes Ave/Green Lanes & opened a coffee bar called The Bezazz Bar.Juke box, two pin ball machines, served tea/coffee/& light snacks.Spent most of my teenage years using this coffee bar as a meeting place to ponder over a two hour cup of coffee to decide what our next move would be!! The Tesco replaced a cinema that used to be there, In the early 60s I saw Robin Hood,there, the Walt Disney cartoon production. So many happy memories. Amazing to find others to share memories with from those times. My parents bought our very first television from them a Bush table model which was also installed by them. Far nicer than some well known overated areas of London. I farms in Cornwall now an apologise for the grammer neglected at Southgate County Grammar (an spellins). The ice cream was served from a sliding glass hatch facing the street, so you didnt have to go inside if an ice cream was all you wanted, in the summer the servery was always open otherwise a light tap on the glass and brother or sister would serve you with beautiful soft ice cream in a cone and a smile all for threepence. Dave then joined him at Kelvin and we became great mates and we would go to Arsenal matches together. The price stickers rather than bar codesThe staff cafeteria the bag searches as you left the building after a shift etc etc. Sylvia & Pennie have jogged my memory of Doms cafe in Palmers Green. I started at Hazelwood in 1963 too and l also live in Singapore. Palmers green life 24pp july by Tony Ourris - Issuu Just found this by chance and been reading some of the comments as I grew up near this area. These drawers had glass fronts so you could see the contents. Palmers Green, Enfield A poor man's Muswell Hill, as architectural historian Nikolaus Pevsner called it, consisting of an Edwardian core surrounded by interwar estates on the borders of Southgate, Winchmore Hill and Bowes Park. The Beezaz was like a second home !! Anyone remember him? I recall watching with amazement whilst waiting as the barber lit a candle and singed older mens hair, hoping desperately he would not set light to m,e when my turn came! The history of the Parish St. Monicas Parish I worked in Tesco in Palmers Green when I was 16 years old in roughly 1990. PS. Inside, the shop was very long with a back section which you rarely ventured into, mainly sheets and towels and net curtaining, Down the middle of the shop, arranged on chairs were tatty cardboard boxes holding items like socks, childs vests etcspecial offers, I guess! There was a second Grouts shop at 470 Green Lanes just before Hedge Lane. I remember the Brody and Hicks name and Fotovalue. I lived in Burford Gardens from 1954 until 1978,went to Hazelwood school where I had a huge crush on a girl called Hilary Taylor. Do you remember one opposite Arnos Grove tube in early 80s? Doms! Annyway after ostilities e also gigged (very fashionable nowadays, eh?) And gloves which were cleverly (!) Its great. Happy times Hazelwood Primary School, Hazelwood Lane youth club, the Rec on sunny days. Can anyone remember the Bamboo coffee bar in Bowes Rd, cant find any history of the place or photos. Obviously at that time, there werent many shops selling fresh coffee let alone grinding it on the premises. Thanks. Has any reader furniture in use purchased from Allen & Appleyards at 362 Green Lanes, replacing Kiltycakes Cafe next to the still existing post office? Hi David, I think I remember you from Winchmore. I think that surgery was based in the houses that Martin mentioned (10/8/14) for a short while and then to a tiny building, like a garage, at the top of Windsor Rd with a bigger branch in Winchmore Hill, nr Green Dragon Lane. I was at Winchmore when Mr Shepherd was there as Head. That would have been where visitors could wave to their loved ones in the hospital. Intended for professional and scholarly audience. This isnt the place to get involved in that discussion so Ill just say that changes arent always for the best! I was at Hazelwood school in the 1960s. There was and old git who served behind the sweet counter. My parents bought our furniture there. I assume there was no ammunition in the house, though! Seekin relatives of a gentleman printer named Richard Wall who lived at No.8 The Promenade N13 opin to return some property I found, I come across this Jewel and your writinsare you related to Joe Hart for whose band my Dad used to play the saxophoneusually Friday evenins for 32/6? Im not sure where Jays originated in Croydon or elsewhere but in any case it appears to have ended up as a national chain, with branches in places such as Bristol, Luton, Northampton, Croydon and Sheffield, as well as areas of London including Palmers Green, Stoke Newington, and Walthamstow.. I used to get home absolutely filthy but so happy. Bruno was my neighbour in the flats above the shops on the N Circular Rd and round the corner to Bows road He moved from the Quick service cafe to the Bezazz and as you say it was the hub for many.
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